Opinions on lying in a youtube video

[Mark]

Originally Posted by robandbob55

I don't agree with this statement. Every magician is a liar. We lie everyday to our spectators, but this is for the purpose of entertaining, and they know this well (only hecklers can't accept it.) But lying on youtube to magicians is unacceptable. They don't do it for entertaining, just for the purpose to look superior to other magicians.

The way you think about it is exactly the reason why some people think magic tutorials are the way to go, because they see magicians as liars and think liars should be exposed. Truth is that as soon as you call yourself a magician, you can't be called a liar while performing, for the sake you are making clear you are doing tricks and illusions and that nothing is as it seems.

I think we are on the same line though, because you just said that you don't agree with magicians making themselves look superior to other magicians, which is basically what I said to disagree with too. If you are lying outside of the performances, or in the performance while there is absolutely no purpose to it (e.g. Criss Angel saying there are no camera tricks or stooges), you are actually a liar.

[la0o9]

i am on robandbob's side, i think that magicians lie every single day at every single performance, manipulate is a word you only use when you're affecting some THING, when you say something to a human to mess with a person's reality, that's lying

[Mark]

Originally Posted by la0o9

i am on robandbob's side, i think that magicians lie every single day at every single performance, manipulate is a word you only use when you're affecting some THING, when you say something to a human to mess with a person's reality, that's lying

I have never heard that definition before. I'm pretty sure one can manipulate thoughts rather than just things.

[Albert]

Originally Posted by la0o9

i am on robandbob's side, i think that magicians lie every single day at every single performance, manipulate is a word you only use when you're affecting some THING, when you say something to a human to mess with a person's reality, that's lying

I was actually going to say that magicians lie every day before, but I refrained from saying that since that is NOT true.

The way I perform, I either manipulate or make lies a reality. What does that mean?

For example of a lie, let's say you controlled a person's card to the top. They ask "Can I shuffle the deck?" If I say 'Yes' and let them shuffle the deck, then it's true: They could shuffle the deck and I could still perform miracles. If I say 'Yes' and resist them from shuffling the deck (not simply just not giving the deck to be shuffled, but declining their request), then at that point people will know that you are both a fraud and a lier (unless you come up with an amazing excuse).

For example of manipulation, let's go back to the same scenario. If the spectators ask "Can I shuffle the deck?", you could palm the card and give the deck out to them and say 'Yes'. At this point, you are telling the truth regardless of if they do shuffle it or not. This is manipulation, while at the same time telling the truth. Just the fact that you offer to let them shuffle the deck is good enough proof for some people and they say 'nah, it's okay, continue with your trick'.

I don't know if other people lie their butt off in their performances, but when you lie and there are simple ways to confirm that lie, you should never do it if you want to keep your reputation. Good magicians = manipulate, true that!