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Old 09-26-2011, 01:19 AM   #1
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WTH? Where did my overly long post go? 0_o
Ok I retyped it.
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:39 AM   #2
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@Mark: well, i still believe that manipulate is only used for things, sure, if you treat another person as a thing and manipulate them it's fine to think like that( "manipulate" translated to my language is a word that only have a negative meaning, so i use the word only if i want to mean something negatively), but lying there are white lies as well as lies, if it's a lie when you talk to the spectator and entertain them, it's a white lie, as it actually doesn't do any harm, but actually does good from time to time, but if you lie to your fellow magicians who wants the truth, and gets found out( which, seems to happen so much more easily), then it's a lie, a bad one, thus being unforgivable. But a lie is still a lie, whether it's white or not, and thus, i say that magicians lie in every performance they do( well, unless you shut up the whole time...), and not manipulate people( like i said, lying is a lower offense than manipulating)
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