Presenting the Art Fighters Playing Card Company - Page 2

Mark · 09-25-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by s13zeTheDay

Please tell me these decks won't be limited run

Depends on the success because usually they will indeed run in limited amounts due to the pre-order way of working (there will probably be a time that we can't gather enough pre-orders anymore). However, if a deck becomes a huge success, we could keep on running them.

Thing is that we don't want to take any risks because it would make us lose a lot of money. Now everyone basically will just pay for the production of their decks and because it goes in pretty large amounts it is not super expensive.

s13zeTheDay · 09-26-2011, 05:47 AM

Though I know your intentions are better than most companies, I just worry that with magiciansthegathering producing videos, having a tutorial service, and now decks, pretty soon it will just be another commercial magic site, intentionally or not

Albert · 09-26-2011, 06:46 AM

To be honest, that's what's also been bugging my mind; although Mark did give me some justification to settle me down, I forgot what it was... :S

Mark · 09-26-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by s13zeTheDay

Though I know your intentions are better than most companies, I just worry that with magiciansthegathering producing videos, having a tutorial service, and now decks, pretty soon it will just be another commercial magic site, intentionally or not

It's okay if people start calling us commercial, but as soon as they call us "another commercial magic site" they don't really know what we are doing.

There are quite some factors that make a seller 'commercial', one of the most important ones being (overly) hyping products and trying to gain as many customers as possible for the sake of selling those products and making (a lot of) profit. This often includes getting on other websites in order to promote those products, and setting up affiliate and/or partner programs. We don't do any of this, for the reason we don't care a bit about the money. This is also why our very best/trademark effects are kept much more of a secret and underground (in a non-marketing kind of way).

Instead, we care about the art and try to do everything to make the art something special again, what it was supposed to be. We are 100% against free magic tutorials and public exposure, and we make extremely cheap exposure videos and tutorials so that people learn not everything is free or supposed to be free in this world. Also, we have our customers come to us instead that we go to them and we don't put anything down their throats. And we don't make actual trailers for our effects but make full performance videos instead, and we can make the prices of whatever we sell as low as possible, once again for the fact we don't care about the money.

That being said, yes, we will sell the playing cards in a much more commercial way, but 1) playing cards aren't magic and 2) most, if not all of the decks we will produce should make people realize that the way the art commercialized over the past years is absolutely ridiculous.

Take uncut sheets, for instance. You pay eight to fifteen times more for a deck which you cannot even use and if you start collecting them, you can't list them or hang all of them on your wall because they take too much space. Then to realize the decks were only produced half way through, uncut sheets are much cheaper to make than actual cut and boxed decks of playing cards. This is one of those odd, overly hyped, commercial things of the past few years.

So I hope that clears things up. Thank you for the concern though.

theheron · 09-26-2011, 02:55 PM

heh, i don't understand uncut sheets. Looking forward to the art fighters though.. will there be a preview picture soon?

Mark · 10-21-2011, 04:23 PM

The first sample decks came in!

Miracles 1st Editions from Germany are definitely da bomb (yet not very affordable since only five of those decks will be released on the market so I won't bother you with those in the rest of this post). Our Compass deck from the UK is great too, and Miracles 2nd Editions from the same company have been printed far too dark due to a misunderstanding, but this will be corrected and should be all fine soon.

Although the cards are by no means USPCC'ish, they definitely have their pros and cons over USPCC cards. I think it is very worth adjusting your handlings to them or at least to practice as much with those cards as with your regular Bicycle cards. Faro shuffles may be a b*tch with them, just being very honest, yet palming has never felt this good before since these decks adjust much more to your hands than any other deck on the market. I guess that's a great thing, but in some cases it may be something to really get used to.

10-21-2011, 04:52 PM

decks from germany! cool!^^

Albert · 10-21-2011, 05:18 PM

Awesome. I palm way more than I farrow, so that's a big plus for moi!

la0o9 · 10-22-2011, 12:15 AM

how good is the stock Mark? are they stiff? or are they soft? what about the finish? does it provide friction to the cards? or does it let the card smoothly flow?

just curious

Fin · 10-22-2011, 03:49 AM

Can I bathe with them, do they hurricane well, what sort of flavour are they and do they look good under ultra-violet?!! Can't wait to see 'em

Mark · 10-24-2011, 06:40 PM

We changed plans quite dramatically.

The Compass decks will be printed in the USA by the United States Playing Card Company and will be available for pre-orders soon. At the same time the Miracles 1st Editions (the expensive ones from Germany) will be released. Miracles 2nd Editions (the affordable ones) will probably be printed by the USPCC too, but those decks won't be available till sometime in 2012.

This means all decks do have USPCC quality and handlings, if not better in case of the 1st Edition Miracles. The Compass deck will be printed on Bicycle stock and will have Air-Cushion Finish.

The website should be up soon.

Randy · 10-24-2011, 11:40 PM

Wow cant wait to get some and play around with it

Mark · 10-24-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy

Wow cant wait to get some and play around with it

You must be the luckiest guy around too! People who live close to us can get a discount if they come pick up their orders.

Randy · 10-25-2011, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark

You must be the luckiest guy around too! People who live close to us can get a discount if they come pick up their orders.

Ha dat ga ik zeker doen lol .

You bet i do that lol.

Mark · 10-30-2011, 11:13 PM

It took a while but... the site is fully done and open for (pre-)orders!!

http://afpcc.com

theheron · 10-30-2011, 11:19 PM

Haha! That's brilliant Mark, I love the designs and everything on the "About" page

Randy · 10-31-2011, 12:38 AM

Ha nice Mark great job i really like the Miracles .

Albert · 10-31-2011, 02:47 AM

Pre-ordered mine!!!! OMG people start buying so it can be sold more quickly so I can get my decks!!!

Randy · 10-31-2011, 01:22 PM

Im not gonna order i gonna take them by myself by Mark if i know when he have the time

Mark · 10-31-2011, 01:53 PM

You will have to order nonetheless since these decks are pre-orders only (only shipping would be cheaper for you though).

09-26-2011, 05:47 AM	#22
s13zeTheDay Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 150	Though I know your intentions are better than most companies, I just worry that with magiciansthegathering producing videos, having a tutorial service, and now decks, pretty soon it will just be another commercial magic site, intentionally or not __________________ What you do in this world is a matter of no consequence. The question is, what can you make people believe you have done. --Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, A Study In Scarlet

09-26-2011, 06:46 AM	#23
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	To be honest, that's what's also been bugging my mind; although Mark did give me some justification to settle me down, I forgot what it was... :S __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

10-21-2011, 05:18 PM	#28
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	Awesome. I palm way more than I farrow, so that's a big plus for moi! __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

10-22-2011, 12:15 AM	#29
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	how good is the stock Mark? are they stiff? or are they soft? what about the finish? does it provide friction to the cards? or does it let the card smoothly flow? just curious __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

10-24-2011, 11:40 PM	#32
Randy Hobby Magician Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Holland/Rotterdam Posts: 93	Wow cant wait to get some and play around with it __________________

09-26-2011, 02:55 PM	#25
theheron Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 117 Donor Score: 50	heh, i don't understand uncut sheets. Looking forward to the art fighters though.. will there be a preview picture soon?

10-21-2011, 04:23 PM	#26
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	The first sample decks came in! Miracles 1st Editions from Germany are definitely da bomb (yet not very affordable since only five of those decks will be released on the market so I won't bother you with those in the rest of this post). Our Compass deck from the UK is great too, and Miracles 2nd Editions from the same company have been printed far too dark due to a misunderstanding, but this will be corrected and should be all fine soon. Although the cards are by no means USPCC'ish, they definitely have their pros and cons over USPCC cards. I think it is very worth adjusting your handlings to them or at least to practice as much with those cards as with your regular Bicycle cards. Faro shuffles may be a b*tch with them, just being very honest, yet palming has never felt this good before since these decks adjust much more to your hands than any other deck on the market. I guess that's a great thing, but in some cases it may be something to really get used to.

10-21-2011, 04:52 PM	#27
oliver Guest Posts: n/a	decks from germany! cool!^^

10-22-2011, 03:49 AM	#30
Fin Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 530	Can I bathe with them, do they hurricane well, what sort of flavour are they and do they look good under ultra-violet?!! Can't wait to see 'em

10-24-2011, 06:40 PM	#31
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	We changed plans quite dramatically. The Compass decks will be printed in the USA by the United States Playing Card Company and will be available for pre-orders soon. At the same time the Miracles 1st Editions (the expensive ones from Germany) will be released. Miracles 2nd Editions (the affordable ones) will probably be printed by the USPCC too, but those decks won't be available till sometime in 2012. This means all decks do have USPCC quality and handlings, if not better in case of the 1st Edition Miracles. The Compass deck will be printed on Bicycle stock and will have Air-Cushion Finish. The website should be up soon.

10-30-2011, 11:13 PM	#35
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	It took a while but... the site is fully done and open for (pre-)orders!! http://afpcc.com

10-30-2011, 11:19 PM	#36
theheron Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 117 Donor Score: 50	Haha! That's brilliant Mark, I love the designs and everything on the "About" page

10-31-2011, 12:38 AM	#37
Randy Hobby Magician Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Holland/Rotterdam Posts: 93	Ha nice Mark great job i really like the Miracles . __________________

10-31-2011, 02:47 AM	#38
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	Pre-ordered mine!!!! OMG people start buying so it can be sold more quickly so I can get my decks!!! __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

10-31-2011, 01:22 PM	#39
Randy Hobby Magician Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Holland/Rotterdam Posts: 93	Im not gonna order i gonna take them by myself by Mark if i know when he have the time __________________

10-31-2011, 01:53 PM	#40
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	You will have to order nonetheless since these decks are pre-orders only (only shipping would be cheaper for you though).