3 card monte - Magician's way

IdioticGod · 05-19-2012, 05:37 PM

Hey guys, does any of you know good, ungimmicked presentations of 3 card monte as magic? The only one I know is the "This and That" card trick, but it's in the storytelling "format", so there's not that much interaction with the spectators (I mean, it's a great illusion, and there is room for interaction, but not as much as the original 3 card monte). Skinner's Monte looks good, but I'm kind of a germaphobe when it comes to magic, I don't touch it if it's not clean (aside from some very rare exceptions).

Also, what do you think about this kind of effect? Good if presented the right way, always good, always sucks... Oh, and if you could justify, that would be great. (If you absolutely can't... well, I understand. Don't worry, I won't be mad. No, seriously, I won't. Ok, maybe a little. Not much, though)

TheWezku · 05-19-2012, 07:04 PM

I perform the "this and that" trick with different presentation moves are basically the same but i just tell a story when i was in paris and got fooled by the 3 card monte or something like that... if you want to fool the spectator with three card monte just DO the three card monte

there is alsoe one monte effect thats good... its daniel garcias effect where he does like faceup monte i dont really remember the name for that trick though...

3 card monte tricks are allways good if presented right it fools the spectator and its awesome packet effect.

TheFourAces · 05-19-2012, 07:51 PM

This version is just like This and That, but I think it doesn't need any blank cards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...HWOnQ0QHgTVqOg

Other than that, I rarely use 3 card monte.

Arnau · 05-19-2012, 07:54 PM

A three card monte can be an amazing trick if well presented. I will try to upload a video of my ungimmicked version

OliveroG · 05-19-2012, 09:43 PM

David Stone has a really good one that combines the gambling part, interacting alot with the audience, and then a magical part, when the card does some crazy turns over, then is took away, and reapears between the other two cards. I never do 3card monte routines, but if i did, i would do that one, impromptu, no gimmicks, seems funny to do.

la0o9 · 05-20-2012, 12:25 AM

i usually present the 3 card monte as a sort of scam, so i go at a really quick pace. Also, i prepare more than one method to get the 3 card monte effect so people usually can't see through the lies( not illusion, lie). But it's not something i do a lot tho...

thetophatfirm · 05-20-2012, 09:26 AM

Personally, I love monte effects, and that weird guy ^ talks about a book that can help you if you are interested in the works of the 3 card monte, non-gimmicked, and capable of mastery

Yes, there are extremely few videos and effects using the monte, mostly because it is so simple and the majority of monte artists are grifters, who can also be pickpockets and fly cops [undercover police] which give the 3 card monte a hidden face, since the really impressive and amazing monte is done by those who really don't want their faces on youtube lol

The book is really good though, its a 20 page text and every page is worth digesting, Ive only started to understand it and I impressed myself earlier today when I was practicing

Mark · 05-20-2012, 10:57 PM

Good vid, Red.

However, I cannot agree with that a 'Three-Card Monte' needs to be repeatable. Yes, it needs to be unfair to the spectators, but if it needs to be repeatable, what if you indeed end with different cards (different backed cards, three of a kind, three totally different cards or such)?

Just remember, if you want to keep it ungimmicked, you will just rely on sleights in order to achieve the effect. It'd be difficult to do a change kicker and you'd be pretty much stuck with the corner or card bend or rip since you don't feel like using gimmicks.

As for the presentation on its own, you could of course always go with the classic, which is what the game, obviously inspired on the 'Shell Game' ('Three Shells And A Pea') is based on: "I bet you can't find it."

thetophatfirm · 05-21-2012, 09:28 AM

Thank you Mark

I see how you mean on the three card monte, that it can be climactic and used for illusion as well as the playing game, lets hope I can figure out a balance lolol

05-19-2012, 05:37 PM	#1
IdioticGod Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6	3 card monte - Magician's way Hey guys, does any of you know good, ungimmicked presentations of 3 card monte as magic? The only one I know is the "This and That" card trick, but it's in the storytelling "format", so there's not that much interaction with the spectators (I mean, it's a great illusion, and there is room for interaction, but not as much as the original 3 card monte). Skinner's Monte looks good, but I'm kind of a germaphobe when it comes to magic, I don't touch it if it's not clean (aside from some very rare exceptions). Also, what do you think about this kind of effect? Good if presented the right way, always good, always sucks... Oh, and if you could justify, that would be great. (If you absolutely can't... well, I understand. Don't worry, I won't be mad. No, seriously, I won't. Ok, maybe a little. Not much, though)

05-20-2012, 12:25 AM	#6
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	i usually present the 3 card monte as a sort of scam, so i go at a really quick pace. Also, i prepare more than one method to get the 3 card monte effect so people usually can't see through the lies( not illusion, lie). But it's not something i do a lot tho... __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

05-20-2012, 09:26 AM	#7
thetophatfirm Red Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 162	Personally, I love monte effects, and that weird guy ^ talks about a book that can help you if you are interested in the works of the 3 card monte, non-gimmicked, and capable of mastery Yes, there are extremely few videos and effects using the monte, mostly because it is so simple and the majority of monte artists are grifters, who can also be pickpockets and fly cops [undercover police] which give the 3 card monte a hidden face, since the really impressive and amazing monte is done by those who really don't want their faces on youtube lol The book is really good though, its a 20 page text and every page is worth digesting, Ive only started to understand it and I impressed myself earlier today when I was practicing __________________ -This the bottom of my thread.

05-21-2012, 09:28 AM	#9
thetophatfirm Red Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 162	Thank you Mark I see how you mean on the three card monte, that it can be climactic and used for illusion as well as the playing game, lets hope I can figure out a balance lolol __________________ -This the bottom of my thread.

05-19-2012, 07:04 PM	#2
TheWezku -W Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland Posts: 34	I perform the "this and that" trick with different presentation moves are basically the same but i just tell a story when i was in paris and got fooled by the 3 card monte or something like that... if you want to fool the spectator with three card monte just DO the three card monte there is alsoe one monte effect thats good... its daniel garcias effect where he does like faceup monte i dont really remember the name for that trick though... 3 card monte tricks are allways good if presented right it fools the spectator and its awesome packet effect.

05-19-2012, 07:51 PM	#3
TheFourAces Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6	This version is just like This and That, but I think it doesn't need any blank cards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...HWOnQ0QHgTVqOg Other than that, I rarely use 3 card monte.

05-19-2012, 07:54 PM	#4
Arnau Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Barcelona Posts: 39	A three card monte can be an amazing trick if well presented. I will try to upload a video of my ungimmicked version

05-19-2012, 09:43 PM	#5
OliveroG Marcos Olivero Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Venezuela Posts: 103	David Stone has a really good one that combines the gambling part, interacting alot with the audience, and then a magical part, when the card does some crazy turns over, then is took away, and reapears between the other two cards. I never do 3card monte routines, but if i did, i would do that one, impromptu, no gimmicks, seems funny to do.

05-20-2012, 10:57 PM	#8
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Good vid, Red. However, I cannot agree with that a 'Three-Card Monte' needs to be repeatable. Yes, it needs to be unfair to the spectators, but if it needs to be repeatable, what if you indeed end with different cards (different backed cards, three of a kind, three totally different cards or such)? Just remember, if you want to keep it ungimmicked, you will just rely on sleights in order to achieve the effect. It'd be difficult to do a change kicker and you'd be pretty much stuck with the corner or card bend or rip since you don't feel like using gimmicks. As for the presentation on its own, you could of course always go with the classic, which is what the game, obviously inspired on the 'Shell Game' ('Three Shells And A Pea') is based on: "I bet you can't find it."