Manuscript : The Gathering Volume 1!!

MarkoViner · 07-27-2011, 12:37 AM

Hey co-forumers! I've had this idea of creating an e-book full of original tricks and ideas of different magicians who are registered here @ Magicians: The Gathering.

I have talked about this idea with Fin and Mark and they dig it. Getting the support I needed, I'm going to start this project.

The idea is to make multiple volumes with 10 different tricks/sleights each, by various artists like Fin, Mark, myself and others (Albert?). The idea is to finish the first volume by the end of this summer.

Now this is not a hype thread, it is actually a call out for help. I need all the artists who have original tricks to contact me @ markoviner[at]hotmail.com and send me the effect and explanation, or whoever thinks he can contribute to this project.

Best regards, Marko Viner

la0o9 · 07-27-2011, 01:02 AM

hmmmm, will 2 videos be alright? or do i have to send 2 worded descriptions?( one of the trick and one of the method).

Albert · 07-27-2011, 01:13 AM

Awesome, I'm in. I have lots of tricks i want to share that i didn't have the time to post up. How do you want it? Written with pictures and video performances?

Kelan · 07-27-2011, 01:20 AM

Fantastic Idea! I have a few Ideas that I would love to share

Mark · 07-27-2011, 01:36 AM

You can send in either videos or text. Videos are much easier to translate into text with images though, so I can tell Marko prefers those.

Albert · 07-27-2011, 01:46 AM

So what will we do with the manuscript? Publish it?

Mark · 07-27-2011, 01:50 AM

Ah yeah, it will probably be like $2.50 for members (free for any of those who had their effect published in it) and $3.50 for outsiders. For 10 effects that's no money, as is usually the case with us, isn't it?

Marko, being the one who had this idea, the main editor and the person putting most of the time in this, will get the money.. which means he will finally be able to buy our effects as Serbia still doesn't have PayPal or any other system he could possibly pay us with.

MarkoViner · 07-27-2011, 01:51 AM

Oh yeah I forgot to mention that, yes the manuscript will be published, and released as a DarkSleight product. That's all I know. I am the editor and designer, so you can ask me about that, other than that, ask Mark

EDIT : Mark was faster

EDIT 2 : Thanks Mark for correcting me

Mark · 07-27-2011, 01:54 AM

Nah-ah, it won't be a DSZ product, but it will be a MTG product though, hence the name Manuscript: The Gathering.

Albert · 07-27-2011, 02:03 AM

I guess i should not put any tricks i have planned for DSZ then?

Travmang · 07-27-2011, 02:07 AM

Hmm I can submit my color change I've been working on for this!

Fin · 07-27-2011, 03:27 AM

Hmmm, my brain is already hurting from thinking too much after watching the news earlier. Gimme a chance to re-group and I'll see what I can come up with..

la0o9 · 07-27-2011, 07:47 AM

will there be some sort of quality check? like if the effect is good enough or something? i think everyone will be up to this...
BTW, how many editions do you guys plan to have published?

Mark · 07-27-2011, 08:01 AM

Yesh, tricks will be filtered and such, especially when they aren't original enough or when they simply won't make sense and can't be tweaked.

It will be an unlimited release like every other MTG release.

Kieran Oloughlin · 07-27-2011, 08:14 AM

This sounds intresting, so basically we send in our tricks and if they are original enough and good enough they will be published in an ebook? Thats sounds good, would anyone be allowed to contriubte?If so I may in the future when I can start coming up with my own tricks more often.
Also would pictures be used to help with the explanations?

Mark · 07-27-2011, 08:23 AM

Indeed, everyone is allowed and there will be pictures (which will be shot in superqualty by Marko himself, or actually.. by the camera he uses

).

Kieran Oloughlin · 07-27-2011, 08:37 AM

Ok, but what about sleights used in tricks, I cretaed one that uses a sleight that is not very well known and is published and only a couple of places (I am not plannning on sending it in if this does take off) but what will happen if the tricks use un-original sleight?

Mark · 07-27-2011, 11:47 AM

If the trick itself is original, it wouldn't be a problem if credits are given.

MarkoViner · 07-27-2011, 05:24 PM

I am also noting, these tricks don't need to be just card tricks, it could be coin,balls,pen and all other sorts of magic. Thank you!

Alexander · 07-27-2011, 07:08 PM

I don't want to seem avid, but will the creators of the effects published in this manuscript actually earn money out of it, or will the whole amount of earned money go to Mark?

07-27-2011, 12:37 AM	#1
MarkoViner Join Date: May 2011 Location: Serbia,Novi sad Posts: 78	Manuscript : The Gathering Volume 1!! Hey co-forumers! I've had this idea of creating an e-book full of original tricks and ideas of different magicians who are registered here @ Magicians: The Gathering. I have talked about this idea with Fin and Mark and they dig it. Getting the support I needed, I'm going to start this project. The idea is to make multiple volumes with 10 different tricks/sleights each, by various artists like Fin, Mark, myself and others (Albert?). The idea is to finish the first volume by the end of this summer. Now this is not a hype thread, it is actually a call out for help. I need all the artists who have original tricks to contact me @ markoviner[at]hotmail.com and send me the effect and explanation, or whoever thinks he can contribute to this project. Best regards, Marko Viner

07-27-2011, 01:02 AM	#2
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	hmmmm, will 2 videos be alright? or do i have to send 2 worded descriptions?( one of the trick and one of the method). __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

07-27-2011, 01:13 AM	#3
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	Awesome, I'm in. I have lots of tricks i want to share that i didn't have the time to post up. How do you want it? Written with pictures and video performances? __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

07-27-2011, 01:46 AM	#6
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	So what will we do with the manuscript? Publish it? __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

07-27-2011, 02:03 AM	#10
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	I guess i should not put any tricks i have planned for DSZ then? __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

07-27-2011, 01:20 AM	#4
Kelan kittydakat Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA Posts: 142	Fantastic Idea! I have a few Ideas that I would love to share

07-27-2011, 01:36 AM	#5
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	You can send in either videos or text. Videos are much easier to translate into text with images though, so I can tell Marko prefers those.

07-27-2011, 01:50 AM	#7
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Ah yeah, it will probably be like $2.50 for members (free for any of those who had their effect published in it) and $3.50 for outsiders. For 10 effects that's no money, as is usually the case with us, isn't it? Marko, being the one who had this idea, the main editor and the person putting most of the time in this, will get the money.. which means he will finally be able to buy our effects as Serbia still doesn't have PayPal or any other system he could possibly pay us with.

07-27-2011, 01:51 AM	#8
MarkoViner Join Date: May 2011 Location: Serbia,Novi sad Posts: 78	Oh yeah I forgot to mention that, yes the manuscript will be published, and released as a DarkSleight product. That's all I know. I am the editor and designer, so you can ask me about that, other than that, ask Mark EDIT : Mark was faster EDIT 2 : Thanks Mark for correcting me

07-27-2011, 01:54 AM	#9
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Nah-ah, it won't be a DSZ product, but it will be a MTG product though, hence the name Manuscript: The Gathering.

07-27-2011, 02:07 AM	#11
Travmang Pharaoh of Magicianry Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 249 Donor Score: 50	Hmm I can submit my color change I've been working on for this!

07-27-2011, 03:27 AM	#12
Fin Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 530	Hmmm, my brain is already hurting from thinking too much after watching the news earlier. Gimme a chance to re-group and I'll see what I can come up with..

07-27-2011, 07:47 AM	#13
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	will there be some sort of quality check? like if the effect is good enough or something? i think everyone will be up to this... BTW, how many editions do you guys plan to have published? __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

07-27-2011, 08:01 AM	#14
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Yesh, tricks will be filtered and such, especially when they aren't original enough or when they simply won't make sense and can't be tweaked. It will be an unlimited release like every other MTG release.

07-27-2011, 08:14 AM	#15
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	This sounds intresting, so basically we send in our tricks and if they are original enough and good enough they will be published in an ebook? Thats sounds good, would anyone be allowed to contriubte?If so I may in the future when I can start coming up with my own tricks more often. Also would pictures be used to help with the explanations?

07-27-2011, 08:23 AM	#16
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Indeed, everyone is allowed and there will be pictures (which will be shot in superqualty by Marko himself, or actually.. by the camera he uses ).

07-27-2011, 08:37 AM	#17
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	Ok, but what about sleights used in tricks, I cretaed one that uses a sleight that is not very well known and is published and only a couple of places (I am not plannning on sending it in if this does take off) but what will happen if the tricks use un-original sleight?

07-27-2011, 11:47 AM	#18
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	If the trick itself is original, it wouldn't be a problem if credits are given.

07-27-2011, 05:24 PM	#19
MarkoViner Join Date: May 2011 Location: Serbia,Novi sad Posts: 78	I am also noting, these tricks don't need to be just card tricks, it could be coin,balls,pen and all other sorts of magic. Thank you!

07-27-2011, 07:08 PM	#20
Alexander Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 68	I don't want to seem avid, but will the creators of the effects published in this manuscript actually earn money out of it, or will the whole amount of earned money go to Mark?