Jorden Hamilton (WTFBlackMagic) Exposed [Archive]

Mark

11-14-2011, 09:11 PM

Don't ask me what is happening to YouTube Land but some people are definitely ruining it.

Hereby Jorden Hamilton, better known as WTFBlackMagic.

Jorden thought it was fun to make the so called "WORLDS BIGGEST CONTEST", and the biggest prizes including but not limited to "JERRY'S NUGGETS" are, as always with fake contests, based on luck entirely (and for the rest he apparently has a sponsor). However, this time the contest may actually not be fake (doubt it though), but that doesn't matter because the main prize definitely is.

Hereby the contest video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu5--aQZFK4&feature=related

A couple of days ago he actually made a review on his so called "Authentic Jerry's Nuggets", one of which will be given away in the contest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Di6pL_-rB0

Now that, people, is what we call fake Jerry's. The printing on the box is way off (the letters are too small, the design alignment is way off-center), the seal is fake, the cards sound and behave nothing like actual Jerry's, oh wait, no need to list those things because... there are gaff cards involved and there is no such thing as authentic Jerry's Nugget gaffs). Yet, he says they are the real deal and he happens to give away a deck valued 200-300 dollars in the contest.

To me it's obvious he expects the winner of the luck contest (if it's even a real winner) to choose for the Jerry's instead of the Arcanes, and probably if they choose for the Arcanes he will make them vanish into thin air, which he apparently has done before because someone says to not have received their deck of a previous contest/giveaway of his, and I have a feeling the person who said that is actually talking the truth... gee... I wonder why...

Of course we won't allow this kind of twisted manipulation.

KGaborMagic

11-14-2011, 09:27 PM

One of the rules is very funny:
-For 2 entries you must Subscribe to me, Like and favourite the video and subscribe to vjose32 and write on his channel that i sent you there
Spamming somebody like this on Youtube is illegal.

-For addtional entries buy products from Pokerstud52 on ebay and foe every dollar you spend you will get a entry in to the contest, you must and i repeat must tell him i sent you to his store
I guess he just tries to advertise his (or one of his friend's) cards on Ebay.:mad:

Mark

11-14-2011, 09:32 PM

He actually makes sure the sponsor gets something for it too, even if it is a fake contest. This way the sponsor may actually support him no matter what because they both get profit, and the kind of profit they actually want. But I guess I can assure you that Pokerstud52 isn't in on this nor that he would agree with such actions though.

But yeah, it's just a popularity stunt, as always. Some people should be really, really ashamed of themselves, and especially those who do not feel and say that they are sorry.

EDIT:
I actually made sure to comment the following to the contest video:
I would hereby like to tell you that there is an exposure thread about this on Magicians: The Gathering (magicians dot cc). Feel free to sign up to back up yourself and best of luck with that because you will not be able to.

Best is just to stop this nonsense before it's too late and to apologize to whoever you have tricked into this contest and into thinking you give away (or even own) legit Jerry's Nugget cards. Just saying.

-Mark
And of course he deleted it, and really fast too.

Also, he already made sure to make himself a fake channel called 'TehRobertHD'. He uses it to back himself up, saying it are real Jerry's Nuggets and that it's a real contest, etcetera.

MeandmagiC

11-14-2011, 09:51 PM

lets introduce a new word here: failrabbit xD
because we discovered him :) (I hope a lot of people do actually)

ok let's be serious right here.
What will he be gaining with this? In the end he will be discovered or somebody will spread the word and then, KABOOM, all his popularity will be gone!
I believe he shouldn't get away with this!

Mark

11-14-2011, 09:57 PM

He hopes to be gaining fame, but obviously it will work counterproductive. If we have to, we are going to link up this thread to whoever is involved. ^_^

MeandmagiC

11-14-2011, 10:08 PM

Lets do that!

thetophatfirm

11-14-2011, 11:33 PM

Failrabbit.

DUDE!!!! that is awesome.

I am sorry, but I am going to use that now for people trying to be clever.

KGaborMagic

11-15-2011, 01:22 PM

He deleted my comment as well (and lots of other comments saying that his contest is fake).
I guess now it's obvious that it is.

MysteryHand

11-15-2011, 01:30 PM

What i can say this man is so f***ed !!! I really hates many guy like this. Lie people, make them not happy !!!

BenjiTaylor

11-15-2011, 01:54 PM

He hopes to be gaining fame, but obviously it will work counterproductive. If we have to, we are going to link up this thread to whoever is involved. ^_^

It may not be right for me to comment on this matter (based on the past), however I can tell you that once, I remember he filmed the results and I won (this was before my contests had even started) and he said that I had won loads, then he said his camera had broke so he could not ship the prizes, not that the 2 have anything to do with each other.

Albert

11-15-2011, 02:44 PM

It may not be right for me to comment on this matter (based on the past), however I can tell you that once, I remember he filmed the results and I won (this was before my contests had even started) and he said that I had won loads, then he said his camera had broke so he could not ship the prizes, not that the 2 have anything to do with each other.

It's completely fine for you to participate Benji :)

But, regardless, thanks. That further proves his guiltiness... :mad: I hate people like him! Arg! :devil:

NathanCanadas

11-16-2011, 12:39 AM

I am really upset with all these fake contests! First TheMagicHelper123, then BenjiTaylor, then WTFBlackMagic as well as many others... :cry: I am really disappointed!:ugh: I think that if he doesn't admit this, we should spread the word, have people unsubscribe, and block him and mark him as spam as well. Best regards,
Nathan

TheMisdirectingHand

11-16-2011, 01:24 AM

You can help us spread the word! Don't be afraid to tell any of the newer contestants!

BenjiTaylor

11-16-2011, 08:11 AM

Mark

11-16-2011, 10:35 AM

Okay, things are getting a little weirder now. I now found this video on WTFBlackMagic's channel because he messaged me saying he was made to believe that those Jerry's Nugget decks were real:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9kLGMHp6io

How is it possible that back at the unboxing video the red/orange deck was fake and the blue one was said to be real, but in the review video and the PM he sent me he says both decks are authentic or that he was made to believe so?!? This is totally twisted.

For the record, that blue deck is exactly like the red one, and just as fake as well. Anyone who doesn't own the real deal could look up pictures or videos of the real Jerry's Nugget cards and the box, and could easily compare and see the ones Jorden got aren't real.

TheMisdirectingHand

11-16-2011, 02:28 PM

Alright guys, it's finally time for an update of my own.

As we all know, WTFBlackMagic is holding fake YouTube contests with fake (or no) prizes at all. In addition to that, he is also a con-artist who makes ridiculous offers with fake cards. In my YouTube inbox, after Mark and Toine told me to inform half of the contestants, I received an interesting reply from one of them, here it is.

thank you very much man.. first i want to sorry about my bad english because i'm italian, so sorry again. i want to tell you that I was going to do a deal with him: he wanted 12 decks of my arrcos plus a karnival dose and 2 dragon backs.. to exchange he wanted to give me a v4 and a real jerry's.. I said NOO :) because those are to many decks (15) to giveaway for only two stupid decks.. and than he said that for the shipping I must send him the stuff and when he receives it, than he will send me his decks.. so my NOO became a NOOOOOOOOOO :) because I thaught that he could be a lier. Definitely I'm happy because I did not make a deal with him.. and this thing that you told me is a confirm on the fact that he is not a good person.. soorry again for the bad english, I hope you understand.. and pleas answer me if you have read the whole message.. thx again

Alessandro

Is this not the intent of such a scam artist who wants to trade TWO decks (one that is supposedly worth hundreds of dollars), for 15 of them?

KGaborMagic

11-16-2011, 03:51 PM

Did he really want to do this?:ninja: That's a lot of money those decks cost!
Okay, I start to inform the new contestants about this as well.

Johnny Silver

11-16-2011, 11:11 PM

wow-for someone who just received a "real" Jerrys deck, he's not very excited,lol. I would have been freaking out. :thinking:

TommySteal

11-17-2011, 03:22 PM

wow-for someone who just received a "real" Jerrys deck, he's not very excited,lol. I would have been freaking out. :thinking:

...he knows what's inside before opening, yet he still hacks away at it with that Rambo knife.

thetophatfirm

11-17-2011, 05:59 PM

l:grin:l Tommy

BenjiTaylor

11-21-2011, 04:09 PM

Don't ask me what is happening to YouTube Land but some people are definitely ruining it.

Hereby Jordan Hamilton (no idea if that's his real name or the correct spelling but well, let's just call him WTFBlackMagic (WTFBM) because that's definitely his YouTube name).

WTFBM thought it was fun to make the so called "WORLDS BIGGEST CONTEST", and the biggest prizes including but not limited to "JERRY'S NUGGETS" are, as always with fake contests, based on luck entirely (and for the rest he apparently has a sponsor). However, this time the contest may actually not be fake (doubt it though), but that doesn't matter because the main prize definitely is.

Hereby the contest video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu5--aQZFK4&feature=related

A couple of days ago he actually made a review on his so called "Authentic Jerry's Nuggets", one of which will be given away in the contest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Di6pL_-rB0

Now that, people, is what we call fake Jerry's. The printing on the box is way off (the letters are too small, the design alignment is way off-center), the seal is fake, the cards sound and behave nothing like actual Jerry's, oh wait, no need to list those things because... there are gaff cards involved and there is no such thing as authentic Jerry's Nugget gaffs). Yet, he says they are the real deal and he happens to give away a deck valued 200-300 dollars in the contest.

To me it's obvious he expects the winner of the luck contest (if it's even a real winner) to choose for the Jerry's instead of the Arcanes, and probably if they choose for the Arcanes he will make them vanish into thin air, which he apparently has done before because someone says to not have received their deck of a previous contest/giveaway of his, and I have a feeling the person who said that is actually talking the truth... gee... I wonder why...

Of course we won't allow this kind of twisted manipulation.

He has now deleted all evidence of the contest ever existing and has deleted the video. He has also started to upload trailers for tricks which aren't his. Is that "allowed"?

Mark

11-21-2011, 08:39 PM

Officially this is copyright infringement but companies usually couldn't care less because they make money from the products that get promoted. I seen people get a lot of extra views this way and I definitely disagree with it.

And what a coward for not admitting anything nor apologizing to any of the hundred people involved. :hm:
Good thing I saved the videos on my system. I already expected him to delete them. :)

Kelan

11-21-2011, 09:30 PM

I know Alessandro. He's a good friend of mine, glad he didn't make the deal.

Azukinimagician

11-23-2011, 10:28 PM

I just heard that he is being investigated by the FBI due to cybercrime. Got it from FB.

BenjiTaylor

11-27-2011, 07:02 PM

I just heard that he is being investigated by the FBI due to cybercrime. Got it from FB.

What kind of cybercrime? Fake contests?

Azukinimagician

11-27-2011, 09:56 PM

Yes, I don't know what exactly happened, but someone tweeted about it

Mark

11-27-2011, 10:36 PM

I wish! But it's not true. :(
I'll keep on dreaming.

BenjiTaylor

12-03-2011, 01:38 PM

He says I won his contest, If you look at his recent video. He wants me to do an un-boxing if I get the prizes. Maybe he has changed.

Mark

12-08-2011, 07:23 PM

He says I won his contest, If you look at his recent video. He wants me to do an un-boxing if I get the prizes. Maybe he has changed.
He hasn't. You have, as you made honest apologies and such, but we can say he didn't change till the moment he actually apologizes to anyone (or rather everyone), else he is just running away from it and keeps his criminal record for the rest of his life.

That said, please do not make an unboxing video. He merely wants you to do that to prove that he isn't a fraud, which he still is. You live rather close to him too, so it won't cost him much to send you the package.

And hereby... a new contest and another so called first one from the fraud:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqxcVryBwHg

BenjiTaylor

12-08-2011, 09:06 PM

He hasn't. You have, as you made honest apologies and such, but we can say he didn't change till the moment he actually apologizes to anyone (or rather everyone), else he is just running away from it and keeps his criminal record for the rest of his life.

That said, please do not make an unboxing video. He merely wants you to do that to prove that he isn't a fraud, which he still is. You live rather close to him too, so it won't cost him much to send you the package.

Hi Mark. I did receive the prizes but I have chosen to do what you said and not do an Un-Boxing video.

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I told him I couldn't do one and this is what he said: "why? you said you would

if you don't that breaches what I asked you to do in order to claim your prize, therefore if not done I require you to send them back or I shall submit a civil case against you"

Mark

12-08-2011, 09:44 PM

Whahahaha.. to claim your prize? He never put that as requirement in the giveaway contest (plus, it's not possible to put such requirements to claiming or receiving anything you won). Therefore, don't send them back.. and have him submit a civil case against you, because you will win without a doubt. You can even show any judge this thread and they will fine his butt off. :D

Also, you can tell him I saved his videos. He even deleted the results video from YouTube. He has absolutely no leg to stand on.

Albert

12-08-2011, 10:00 PM

Wahahahahahahhaha!!

That's all I had to contribute :)

BenjiTaylor

12-08-2011, 10:01 PM

Wahahahahahahhaha!!

That's all I had to contribute :)

Haha :)

WTFBlackMagic

12-08-2011, 11:05 PM

Albert

12-08-2011, 11:17 PM

time for my input.

all previous mistakes have been corrected. therefore I request you remove this forum. an for benji Taylor

you invade my privacy via exposing my PRIVATE messages. here is a quote from the YouTube community Guide lines

"There is zero tolerance of predatory behaviour, stalking, threats, harassment, invading privacy or the revealing of other members' personal information. Anyone caught doing these things may be permanently banned from YouTube."

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also the reason it's called contest #1 is because its a new start

There was no predatory behaviour, there was no stalking, there were no threats, there was no harassment (revealing the truth isn't harassment, even supported by tort law), and there was no invasion of privacy (such as secretly searching for your personal information).

Quoting private messages is not invasion of privacy when it is used for criticism or reviews (no that your messages qualify for creative works under copyright law). We were criticizing your bad actions and the only way we can do that is to know the truth. Voila! There we have it.

On the other hand, you have not specified that the conversation you held through private messages be kept personal between only you and Benji. Your lack of such a statement automatically makes you lose your claim on the invasion of privacy, as it was your own free will to share it with Benji, and thus, to the world. Benji had no obligation to keep it only to himself. Of course, this is assuming that you did not claim that, which you most likely haven't ;)

I've got nothing against you personally, but what you did was wrong. I don't know how you have corrected all your mistakes, as you claim. Mind expanding on that?

Mark

12-09-2011, 06:28 AM

May I add that community guidelines on one site, don't count for the world wide web. It's not that YouTube's guidelines are some sort of universal internet law. They couldn't care less whatever one does on other sites, unless it is infringing their very own rights. Especially since you threatened Benji, he should be absolutely in his right to make this public, and he quoted you so he didn't steal your text or anything, it is still yours.

You have had three, four, or even more "new starts". But just starting over doesn't correct anything though, and you did by no means correct anything either. Not one apology was made. Instead, you have been, and are making things worse and worse.

Stop acting as if that's Benji's fault or whatever. You are the very only person to blame for what you did, and the very own person to correct it. Yes, correcting it takes some guts, but it's either that or keeping your image destroyed for forever (and I personally gave you that option quite some time ago already and you ignored it, which makes it a lot harder for you to correct everything too).

WTFBlackMagic

12-09-2011, 10:44 PM

I was unware of this forum until 2 days ago, I have previously scammed, however I sent everything back. I did it to someone called Chinwei Goh, if you find him on Facebook ask him and he'll tell you I have changed for the better. I can honestly say I have changed and there will be no more fake contest. however i know I'm not the only well know(ish) person on YouTube who has done it, there were speculations about mrdreammagic but no one seemed to do anything about that. all I wish is for to start fresh and to have my name cleared. I have done stupid things in the past that I regret but I've done my best to correct them.

Mark

12-09-2011, 11:15 PM

You did not find out about this forum two days ago. I personally sent it to you quite a while ago, and your IP address has visited this forum before too.

Even if you changed, everyone is perfectly right for hating on you because you never made up for anything or apologized in any video whatsoever. That is the only thing you could do to get your name cleared, and even then it could be doubtful because you continued your actions even after being busted and could (if not should) have made a video much much earlier. Oh yeah, and of course stopping with lying would help a little too. Not to forget about not threatening anyone like what you did to Benji. You sure you changed? That must have only just happened then. :thinking:

Sorry for sounding a bit frustrated, but I really don't get how you could possibly talk as if you are disappointed and/or surprised that people still hate on you and call you a fraud. Really, you can wish whatever you want, but if you don't take any action, nothing will change. You do not seem to regret and you definitely didn't do your best to correct it. You didn't do anything at all, except for starting new, fraudulent contests. If you would regret, you would at least stop doing contests, especially ones that look more fraudulent than your actual fake contests.

Also, we don't like speculations so mrdreammagic's real name has been removed from your post. This thread is about you, not about anyone else. Sure there have been more people who made fake contests (although, you are probably on top of that list) but we are not going to post anyone in here if we don't have evidence. Then again, our Magic Alert threads function as warnings to everyone else too.

WTFBlackMagic

12-09-2011, 11:26 PM

okay if I make a apology video and promise not to do anything like that again can you remove this thread

Mark

12-09-2011, 11:33 PM

Depends on the content of the apology video, whether you will take a break from making contests and whether you will put the art as priority instead of fame. Also, you better come up with the video content on your own (rather than being sorry for whatever we said you should be sorry for) and you better actually mean it too, because that is not quite believable at this moment.

Our threads will never be removed right away, but at least it could get closed and be removed on the long term.

WTFBlackMagic

12-10-2011, 12:07 AM

I will place a video up tommorow and you can message me on YouTube with what you think

Albert

12-10-2011, 12:51 AM

Making an apology video shouldn't be dependent on some kind of bargain.

To be honest, I wouldn't buy it as you are making one solely to get rid of this thread (at least it seems like that to me). Even a younger person like Benji took the initiative to make an apology video without any of us prompting him to because he truly felt he was wrong.

Be aware that being magicians with lots of live experiences mean that we are pretty damn good at cold reading people. We can get a very good grasp in if you mean something or not when you say it, in reading people's expressions, their body language, and more. If you truly were planning to make a heartfelt apology video, then go ahead. But if your purpose was to make one was just to get rid of this, we probably won't get rid of this ever.

Please consider hard what you really have done wrong. We aren't trying to merely scold you. You are hurting other people. Hope you realize that. :hm:

BenjiTaylor

12-10-2011, 08:24 AM

Thank-you Albert and Mark. WTFblackmagic, as Albert said in the previous post I did not have a "deal" for when I made my sorry video. I was upset, VERY UPSET and I had been for a while. I sat down with a camera on my own accord and for 6 minutes explained what I had done wrong and even gave people the option for me to delete my channel. The thread about me is still on here but I don't mind because at least it says "solved". Personally in my opinion, you should really THINK about what you have done FIRST and then make a video because as Albert said, if it doesn't come from your heart people will be able to see by your body language if you really believe what you are saying.

Mark

12-10-2011, 10:54 AM

The fact that your latest contest video is still online, public and running, says enough already. Even if you make a video today, you will not be taken serious, especially not by us.

Even if your latest contest is real, it still is extremely fraudulent. You talk about giving away "three decks, and maybe four if the winning entry is good enough", later on saying "and maybe even more decks, depending on how good the entry is". That is not how you run a contest, and there is no reason in trusting that the winner gets the amount of decks he deserves because you are the only one to judge.

I have to quote part of SGExtremist's comment to your latest contest video: "Do you have NO SHAME?" If truly regretting, the very least you would have done is running another contest, especially if there is no trust left. Let's face it here, you never had the art as a priority. All you are on YouTube for is virtual popularity and fame, which is also why you have reently been uploading other company's trailers and such. Be honest to yourself first, before acting to be honest to the rest of the world.

WTFBlackMagic

12-10-2011, 11:14 AM

okay, I had time to sleep on it. I have decided to remove the contest and not to upload another for three months. only videos of the art shall be uploaded.

Mark

12-10-2011, 09:10 PM

When I watched your apology video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eZTEP1TfmE) I thought: "Okay, fair enough, he said more than what we asked for, good for him.", even though it wasn't as emotional as Benji's video but fine.. to each their own.. at least you said it all, and much more. Major props to you!

But then I logged in to MSN, only to received a whole lot of offline messages from a friend ranting about the video due to quite some things, which destroyed absolutely everything I thought.

Apparently you deleted quite a lot of comments from the video (which shows because there are replies to comments that are not there), you turned off the likes and dislikes because apparently there were loads of dislikes, you turned off comment ratings because some of the more negative comments got most thumbs up, you used your second or your friend's channel 'TehRobertHD' to back yourself up with your alter ego (apparently as always, because I remember this happening in your previous contest videos too), and last but not least you uploaded a new video not even an hour after the apology video (most likely to draw away attention from the apology video).

May it be clear that you probably deserved absolutely everything people said in the comments, no matter how positive or how negative it would be. You also deserved all dislikes. Someone who is truly sorry would realize that and would not do everything to hide negative comments and negative ratings. People can be tough, and I had even warned you already that a video would probably be too late. You made the decision to make one, you did a great job on that, and then.. you wasted it. All you had to do is leave things at the apology video the way they were and step over it like a man.. like someone with guts. Then, you would have been forgiven.

So now I'm extremely afraid that in three months you will start all over again. If even after such an apology video you seem to do absolutely everything to show you don't really regret it and you keep manipulating things around, you probably don't regret it at all. You probably expect people to have long forgotten about the drama in three months.

I really hope you will prove me wrong. I really, really do. But whatever you have been doing only makes things worse and worse. How do you not realize that, even after all feedback you have gotten at previous videos?

WTFBlackMagic

12-11-2011, 12:52 AM

I removed comments as they were very offensive towards me, they were about personal things and therefore they were removed, to what I know the ratings are still allowed, it's showing up on my computer.

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and yehroberthd is my friend channel, and I have nothing to do with it

TheMisdirectingHand

12-18-2011, 11:56 PM

The video is gone... just spent about 2 minutes reading the thread from beginning to end.

Mark

11-15-2012, 05:36 PM

In the meantime, Jorden decided to run another fake contest. The video and results have been deleted already as could be seen here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uXldkM4ZbA) and through Google. This is the excuse and lie he came up with this time: "The results video was up a few weeks ago and the video was deleted after a week as the winners had contacted me."

He obviously did not learn anything. It's been pretty much exactly a year now and he got back to it as if absolutely nothing ever happened. Never, absolutely never again should he and his contests be trusted. :crossed: