Introducing Magic Exposure

[Admin]

No no, do not worry, this does not mean that magic exposure is allowed in here now. Not at all!

It just means that we will be selling magic exposing videos to some of our performance videos. This differs from tutorials because unlike tutorials the magic exposure merely gives a secret view on the performances and will not go quite as much into detail. In the exposure videos it just shows the secret and tells you what is happening, but that's really it.

This also means that they will be shorter and cheaper than most tutorials, but in relation to what you get in tutorials they will obviously be more expensive.

To prevent confusion those products will be labelled differently in the store section.

Hope you like this!

[la0o9]

so... you mean you guys will have exposed view downloadables for some tricks? and you're selling them cheaper than a normal tutorial?( that sentence kinda confuse me) that's a steal compared to watching and guessing.

[Mark]

that's a steal compared to watching and guessing.
If time is money, yes. But watching and guessing is usually cheaper than buying those exposure videos. But.. you at least can be absolutely sure about how it's done. :D

Obviously, those videos will be cheaper than actual tutorials because they won't go into detail on the tricks. I just shows you the secret with the magician telling you what's going on.

We didn't set a price yet, but it will probably be $1 for members and $1.50 for non-members. ^_^

[la0o9]

nice, the very last resort for the lazy guys who can't spend too much time in front of the computer.

[MarkoViner]

Would it matter if I said that I don't like the idea? Now no offense to anyone but I don't see the point. All of us here are magicans we would rather buy the whole effect then just the secret. Now on the contrary , this lay people will find this very amusing , because they don't care how the move is done. They just want the secret. That's my opinion :)

[Albert]

Would it matter if I said that I don't like the idea? Now no offense to anyone but I don't see the point. All of us here are magicans we would rather buy the whole effect then just the secret. Now on the contrary , this lay people will find this very amusing , because they don't care how the move is done. They just want the secret. That's my opinion :)

Actually, Marko really has a point here.

Lay people can easily spare a dollar or two for the secret, and I'd probably do it for something amazing that I want explained. :(

Maybe this should be reconsidered?

[Admin]

We actually already considered that but rejected it. Lay people can already find thousands of secrets on the internet and are not likely to pay for anything if they can find secrets for free. And if they would like to buy secrets, they already can do that on many websites for prices not much higher than what we ask for these exposure videos.

However, we decided to do it because it are the magicians that would like to know how our tricks are done and there are many tricks we would never make a tutorial on but would still like to share, or tricks that took a small part of our previous, limited releases and are never to be seen again if we wouldn't make those videos.

Before we released anything, we actually planned to make very open tutorials instead of extremely detailed ones so that magicians would have to make the best of it themselves, but that never happened. This is its alternative and we can promise that laymen will not be interested in it unless they are really interested in the secrets of magic and probably have bought our tutorials already too.

See it as tutorials for advanced magicians, the magician in the video telling and showing what he does and that's it. You will have to make your own thing out of it.

[Mark]

^ +1

It's not like mismag who turned ten thousands of laymen into "magicians" or anything.. and the bigger secrets still won't be exposed. :)

[Kieran Oloughlin]

WIll the trick be explained much so that us ourselves can work on it and be able to perfrom it and what are you thinking about exposing?

[MarkoViner]

I see the point now but still think its a bit dull... You see, me, myself I would rather buy the full effect, then just the secret. That's just how my mind works :) There are some people who would for example : Buy a car that is half of it's price , but not me. I like it to be new , and original. Hope you understand me...

EDIT : I was thinking maybe release a few products using this method and if we like it, then keep it :D

[Mark]

WIll the trick be explained much so that us ourselves can work on it and be able to perfrom it and what are you thinking about exposing?
Yup, the tricks will be exposed enough but you will definitely have to work on them yourself to make it practical and performable. ^_^

[la0o9]

so what kinds of exposure videos will you guys be releasing?( new ones or old?) will the classic effects on DSZ's channel be released? the ones will it be permanently available or will you stick to the old drill and take them off after a while?

[Mark]

It will be to some upcoming videos and mayyybe to some old ones. They will probably be permanently available. :)

[s13zeTheDay]

I like this idea. This presents the opportunity for a magician to see the techniques behind accomplishing an effect, yet it does not do in depth on anything so if necessary you can put your own personal touches/moves into it. Though I can't believe I'm saying this, I do think it IS a bit inexpensive

[Mark]

What price would you guys suggest? Please keep in mind it will probably just one minute of video and absolutely no details apart from a description of what's happening.

[TheMisdirectingHand]

1,000$. The secrets of Mark shall never be free.

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Just joking. Maybe you should set the price for 2$. The secrets to your effects haven't been exposed for a while now, you shouldn't make it too cheap for just a secret door cam.

[la0o9]

let's see, permanently available, secrets that have been keep for long now exposed, at most 5 minutes( or much less, considering you're just showing us the sleights from an exposed angle) of pure video tape( i mean, it's not like the short videos needs editing, at most it's just fade in and fade out), additional fees( i've never uploaded anything for download, so idk what kinda fees you need to pay), i'd say about 1-2 dollars each would be enough if you just want to make people cough up money for explanations( the way it should be for those who are too lazy to find out the secrets themselves), and if our forum grows into a big one as the magic Cafe, DSZ will make more than enough to upkeep the projects.

[Kieran Oloughlin]

If you do some old ones you should do...... ALL OF THEM!!! okay ebing serouis now why are you doing this, I quite like the idea but still why? Also yeah mismag has appaerntly turned many laymen into magicians but be fair some people like the cacutsboi and me started by watching so tutoirals but eventually started to purchase magic.

[Mark]

Read post 7 if you'd like to know why. ;)

Unfortunately, there are indeed magicians who started because of free tutorials and who are doing fine but there are waaaaaaaaaaay more magicians who started like that who are doing extremely bad yet think they are doing fine. :(

Also, Sam (TheCactusBoi) isn't thát much into magic anymore. :(

[Kieran Oloughlin]

Yeah sam does more flourishes now.. . I am learning flouishes but I dont want to become overwelmed by them and do them instead of magic but in his last video he said that he maybe perfers flourishes to magic so maybe he does more magic but less performances of them

[Mark]

What I meant is that Sam does more music (he plays in a band) than either magic or flourishes nowadays. He doesn't touch his playing cards as often as he used to.

What do you guys actually think of me going back to making super short color change videos (like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRIQdYWQ1Eg) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRjoygb5NFM) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRUQU7-7Bk0)) and making exposure videos to those upcoming changes (all coming from '125cc'), selling them for $1.50 each, $1 for members?

[Travmang]

I personally really enjoy those videos, I'm a fan of the shorter effects that are visual such as all those changes and others as well. So for me that would be pretty awesome and I would support it!

[s13zeTheDay]

Though I really enjoy your videos of the color changes (because they're just soooo smooth), those are the kinds of videos that you can figure out easily just by watching at normal speed at a normal angle, and not something that you'd pay just for an exposed view of. In addition, many are variations on changes that are widely known, so it's unlikely that there will be much completely new material. The smooth 360, on the other hand...

[la0o9]

except for the "smooth" color change, the other color changes aren't going to attract much costumers( i could be wrong tho,with everyone here being magicians who like to test and tease themselves with insane riddles provided on your channel and all), i kinda enjoy the slightly longer tricks than those color changes( i think what you could do it make people pay 2.00$ for the longer vids, and half a dollar discount for members)

[Kieran Oloughlin]

Yes an exposure of changes would be good!

Are there gonna be one for smooth?

[Mark]

Nope. Instead, we made a deal with all the owners of '125cc' that every change may be re-released apart from 'Smooth'. It'd be far too commercial anyways.

[Kieran Oloughlin]

haha! Every change except for smooth? Thats a little odd but meh. Does this mean the rotar cahnge will be relased

[Mark]

Why is it odd? 'Smooth' is the by far most wanted color change in the world and it's the biggest selling point of the the whole set.
It means that the 'Rotar Change' may be rereleased but not that it definitely will. It's not that we're going to release all other 124 change techniques now, lol.

[Kieran Oloughlin]

Thats exactly why it is odd, it was hugly popular and the most wanted you could sell it for 30 dollars and some would still buy it but it is your choice and if I creted something that great i would probably be protective of it to.

Was there 125 changes on the dvd set? That would explain the title

[Mark]

You should stop thinking too commercially. DarkSleightZ isn't anything like Theory 11, Ellusionist, The Blue Crown, etc. We aren't doing it for the money, we do it for the art. Releasing 'Smooth' wouldn't help with that at all. It'd be far too commercial, just like releasing 'On Top Of The World', etc. :)

It'd be basically me giving away my trademarks, like Lennart Green gave away his. I think that's the stupidest thing a magician could do, and again.. too commercial.

And yes, '125cc' includes 125 color change techniques. ^_^

[Kieran Oloughlin]

I underastand, respect and support that decision. I would probably do the same

[Fin]

I think re-releasing some of your material is a great idea Mark. I for one will buy the rotor and bertram changes. :)